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December 2007

Next meeting: Friday, December 14, 2007
Christmas Dinner at the ABC Restaurant
Time: 5:30pm.

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President's Letter

 Hello Everyone:

Another year almost finished, boy does the time pass quickly!   

Everything is going well at the Knutsford strip. The fall of this year saw a lot of flying activity. With Bill Huxley and Camille flying regularly and others joining in when time and weather permitted, the airstrip was quite busy. Things have slowed now that the winter weather has arrived. But the nice days do beckon.  

There has been some out of town interest in our Club and hangar availability at the strip as there are several fliers moving into the Kamloops area. Several other individuals are looking into purchasing airplanes at the present time and want to hangar at Knutsford as well. Things are looking quite well for the Club and the strip. It is nice to see some new bodies interested in joining and becoming part of the flying community in Knutsford.   I received a letter from Gary Wolf last week, the topic being close to many of our projects! The letter was about using formerly certified parts in an amateur-built project. Lower on this page I will insert the body of his letter.   

Hopefully this will not affect to many peoples projects for very long!   I am in the process of doing rib stitching on my Super Koala right now. It is progressing well. I am really hoping on working on it this winter and get it flying in 2008. I haven't had much time to fly this fall with travelling, but hopefully that will change in 2008! My trip to Europe was great, good weather, visited with relatives and saw some beautiful places. Switzerland was a very beautiful country and London was probably our favorite city for sights and things to do. Europe is a very expensive place to travel though and we were very grateful to have relatives to stay with during our trip.  

Looking forward to seeing many of you at the Annual Christmas Party next Friday at the ABC restaurant! Don't forget the $5 gift exchange and if anyone wants to bring an entertainment puzzle or such please do! The 2008 calendars are out now as well and selling for $10. There will be sales at the Christmas Party. If you cannot make the party and want a calendar, please contact Camille or me to pick-up a calendar.  

Well, Merry Christmas to all and a very Happy New Year!

Dick Suttie.

Gary Wolf's letter

Please stop phoning the MD-RA ( Ministers Delegates - Recreational Aviation) office asking for guidance on the use of formerly-certified components in amateur-built projects. These questions are Transport Canada's to answer, and a full day on the phone has revealed that Transport's people have not thought this one through. At least they certainly do not have any answers yet.

   Here is the conundrum - it has always been legal to incorporate formerly-certified components into an amateur-built plane, and nothing has changed because of Transport's recent decision. Further, it has always been illegal to take a certified plane, deregister it, and then rebuild it as an amateur-built plane. However anytime a formerly-certified major component is proposed to be used as part of an amateur-built plane, this requires an individual ruling from Transport, because they do not have anything written for MD-RA to use as guidance.

   The real problem is that there is a wide middle ground that needs to have a clear line drawn, so that we can know if we have crossed over from "incorporating components-land" to "deregistered certified plane-land". I asked specific questions and got conflicting answers, from the Transport inspector who is supposed to be ruling on these matters.

RAA: If I dismantle my Cub and sell off the components at a swap meet, can the buyer of the wings remove the fabric and use the wing ladders on his Wagaero Cuby project?

TC: Yes

RAA: Can the buyer of the fuselage strip its fabric off and use it as the basis of his amateur-built project?

TC: Yes.

RAA: Can I use the same components myself to construct an amateur-built plane?

TC: No. You would be rebuilding a certified as an amateur-built.

RAA: If I buy a Cessna 150 fuselage at a swap meet and build new wings and tail, and install a different engine, can I register this as an amateur-built?

TC. No. You would not be doing 51% of the work.

RAA: Actually according to the evaluation chart, I would actually be doing well over 51% of the work.

TC: If, if, if. Stop asking "If" questions.

RAA: Again, can I use a Cessna 150 fuselage as the basis of an amateur-built plane.

TC: No.

RAA: So, it is OK to use a Cub fuselage, but not a Cessna fuselage?

TC. How about if you write the clarification for Transport?

RAA: You want us to do Transport's repair work now?  If this is Transport's answer, I will just recommend that builders call Transport for a written clarification every time they buy a used gascolator at a swap meet.


This was just one of the frustrating conversations yesterday, and clearly Transport has shot from the hip again. At the FAA/Transport meeting, the FAA were asking for Transport to assure them that any of our amateur-built planes being sold into the US are not conversions of certified planes, and that they were not constructed under our builder assist program. (Never mind that the US is full of "two weeks to fly"custom build companies.) Transport was unwilling or incapable of assuring this, so the simplest recourse was to crack down on the use of formerly certified components, when it looks as if many of them came from one plane.

I called Copa to bring them up to date on this situation, and they plan to have someone look into it shortly. This mess is going to take some well written wording to clarify what is legal and what is illegal. Meanwhile, please stop calling the MD-RA. They are waiting for a clarification, same as the rest of us. Do not buy any used major components from certified aircraft until Transport gives everyone a clear answer. And don't hold your breath while you wait.

There is a CARAC process in Ottawa, at which all stakeholders meet to propose and approve changes to the regulations, and RAA, Copa, and EAA have long been part of this. Experienced people can then provide input when major changes are being made. Precious few at Transport even know what a cleco is, and at meetings I sometimes find that the people making the decisions have never even been PIC of an airplane. In this latest decision, by changing policy instead of regulations, Transport has sidestepped taking input from the stakeholders. Their meeting with the FAA was not a short notice surprise, and they could well have asked the industry beforehand. Instead, Transport chose to keep us all in the dark, and then blindsided us with their new policy. The result is that everything comes to a halt until the industry sorts it out with the people we pay to regulate us. The average builder is well educated, and invests something approaching $100K in his project, yet these ivory tower worthies treat us as if we are somewhat dim-witted. We do not need non-pilots to act in loco parentis. What we need is a set of clearly written rules that make sense.  

Gary's Update

It appears that Transport inspectors and chief do not always sing from the same hymnbook. I sidestepped this fellow who gave me the first response and went to his boss, and we have since had daily conversations about the impropriety of denying the use of formerly certified parts.Transport are now willing to allow these, but for the 51% evaluation there will be no contribution except for work that is actually performed by the builder.

The next step is to get Transport to treat used parts the same way they treat new fastbuild parts. Currently the purchaser of a Vans fastbuild receives a wing that is completely built and riveted except for the wingtip and the root rib, yet he gets credit for building the wing. Someone using a Cessna wing could do the same amount of work but he would receive credit only for having installed a wingtip and one rib. They now agree that it is unfair to penalize someone because he cannot afford to buy a kit, but they are uncertain how to level the playing field.

The FAA is really calling the shots here, and it looks as if they might actually be reducing the contribution credit for a fastbuild wing. Transport has to keep the decisions of the FAA in mind unless we want to end up with our Amateur-Builts forbidden to enter US airspace, the situation we have with our Owner Maintenance aircraft. There is also the problem that the US does not like our builder assist program, and was asking that Transport guarantee that no Canadian plane sold into the US was built under this program.

Transport was unwilling to supply what would be an export document for a non-certified aircraft. I do wonder if anyone at the FAA has ever had a look at the number of builder assist companies operating in the US. The simplest internet search will call up a large number of companies willing to assemble complete aircraft from kits. Where do the FAA think these are being sold and flown? Their inspection process seems to have some porosity, but instead of correcting their own problems, they are focusing on the threat from Canada.

For the time being, I would not recommend that anyone open a file with MD-RA if the project contains many parts that are recognizable as being from formerly certified aircraft. The farther you are from Ottawa, the more conservative your inspectors will have to be. In Ontario we are now doing a few test cases with Transport to establish what is acceptable and what is not. 

I am still asking Transport for a written explanation of where the line is drawn, but it is obvious that they do not know this themselves. I have explained that the clearer the line is drawn, the fewer builders will be calling them for clarifications. I have also told them that if they do not come up with clear instructions soon, I will be printing their names and phone numbers in the magazine, so that builders will know exactly who in Ottawa has the last say on the matter.

They now understand that it is in their own interest to write a clear explanation. What is curious in all of this is that neither the FAA or Transport ever mention the word "safety" as a reason for their new policies. The test should always be whether the finished plane is a safe one. Instead they appear to be focusing on whether T's are crossed and I's are dotted. Of course this is to be expected because they are regulators and not builders. An uncomfortably large number of these regulators are not even pilots.

Gary Wolf

Aussie flight review.  

(Dick found this on a Topica posting board...)

Hi Mate,

I am writing to you because I need your help to get me bloody pilot's license back. You keep telling me you got all the right contacts. Well now's your chance to make something happen for me because, mate, I'm bloody desperate. But first, I'd better tell you what happened during my last flight review with the CAA Examiner.

On the phone, Ron (that's the CAA d*#"head) seemed a reasonable sort of a bloke. He politely reminded me of the need to do a flight review every two years. He even offered to drive out, have a look over my property and let me operate from my own strip. Naturally I agreed to that.

Anyway, Ron turned up last Wednesday. First up, he said he was a bit surprised to see the plane on a small strip outside my homestead, because the ALA (Authorized Landing Area) is about a mile away. I explained that because this strip was so close to the homestead, it was more convenient than the ALA, and despite the power lines crossing about midway down the strip, it's really not a problem to land and take-off, because at the halfway point down the strip you're usually still on the ground.

For some reason Ron seemed nervous. So, although I had done the pre-flight inspection only four days earlier, I decided to do it all over again. Because the prick was watching me carefully, I walked around the plane three times instead of my usual two.

My effort was rewarded because the colour finally returned to Ron's cheeks. In fact, they went a bright red. In view of Ron's obviously better mood, I told him I was going to combine the test flight with some farm work, as I had to deliver three poddy calves from the home paddock to the main herd.

After a bit of a chase I finally caught the calves and threw them into the back of the ol' Cessna 172. We climbed aboard, but Ron started getting onto me about weight and balance calculations and all that crap. Of course I knew that sort of thing was a waste of time because, calves like to move around a bit particularly when they see themselves 500 feet off the ground! So, it's bloody pointless trying to secure them as you know. However, I did tell Ron that he shouldn't worry as I always keep the trim wheel set on neutral toensure we remain pretty stable at all stages throughout the flight.

Anyway, I started the engine and cleverly minimized the warm-up time by tramping hard on the brakes and gunning her to 2,500 rpm. I then discovered that Ron has very acute hearing, even though he was wearing a bloody headset. Through all that noise he detected a metallic rattle and demanded I account for it. Actually it began about a month ago and was caused by a screwdriver that fell down a hole in the floor and lodged in the fuel selector mechanism. The selector can't be moved now, but it doesn't matter because it's jammed on `All tanks', so I suppose that's Okay.

However, as Ron was obviously a nit-picker, I blamed the noise on vibration from a stainless steel thermos flask which I keep in a beaut little possie between the windshield and the magnetic compass. My explanation seemed to relax Ron, because he slumped back in the seat and kept looking up at the cockpit roof. I released the brakes to taxi out, but unfortunately the plane gave a leap and spun to the right. "Hell" I thought, "not the starboard wheel chock again".

The bump jolted Ron back to full alertness. He looked around just in time to see a rock thrown by the prop-wash disappear completely through the windscreen of his brand new Commodore. "Now I'm really in trouble", I thought. While Ron was busy ranting about his car, I ignored his requirement that we taxi to the ALA, and instead took off under the power lines. Ron didn't say a word, at least not until the engine started coughing right at the lift off point, and then he bloody screamed his head off. "Oh Shit Oh shit! Oh shit!"

"Now take it easy, Ron" I told him firmly. "That often happens on take-off and there is a good reason for it". I explained patiently that I usually run the plane on standard MOGAS, but one day I accidentally put in a gallon or two of kerosene. To compensate for the low octane of the kerosene, I siphoned in a few gallons of super MOGAS and shook the wings up and down a few times to mix it up. Since then, the engine has been coughing a bit but in general it works just fine, if you know how to coax it properly.

Anyway, at this stage Ron seemed to lose all interest in my test flight. He pulled out some rosary beads, closed his eyes and became lost in prayer. (I didn't think anyone was a Catholic these days). I selected some nice music on the HF radio to help him relax. Meanwhile, I climbed to my normal cruising altitude of 10,500 feet. I don't normally put in a flight plan or get the weather because, as you know getting a FAX access out here is a friggin' joke and the weather is always 8/8 blue anyway. But since I had that near miss with a Saab 340, I might have to change me thinking on that.

Anyhow, on leveling out, I noticed some wild camels heading into my improved pasture. I hate bloody camels, and always carry a loaded 303 clipped inside the door of the Cessna just in case I see any of the bastards. We were too high to hit them, but as a matter of principle, I decided to have a go through the open window. Mate, when I pulled the bloody rifle out, the effect on Ron was friggin' electric. As I fired the first shot his neck lengthened by about six inches and his eyes bulged like a rabbit with myxo. He really looked as if he had been jabbed with an electric cattle prod on full power. In fact, Ron's reaction was so distracting that I lost concentration for a second and the next shot went straight through the port tyre. Ron was a bit upset about the shooting (probably one of those pinkoanimal lovers I guess) so I decided not to tell him about our little problem with the tyre.

Shortly afterwards I located the main herd and decided to do my fighter pilot trick. Ron had gone back to praying when, in one smooth sequence, I pulled on full flaps, cut the power and started a sideslip from 10,500 feet down to 500 feet at 130 knots indicated (the last time I looked anyway) and the little needle rushed up to the red area on me ASI. What a buzz, mate! About half way through the descent I looked back in the cabin to see the calves gracefully suspended in mid air and mooing like crazy. I was going to comment on this unusual sight, but Ron looked a bit green and had rolled himself into the fetal position and was screamin' his freakin' head off. Mate, talk about being in a bloody zoo. You should've been there, it was so bloody funny!

At about 500 feet I leveled out, but for some reason we kept sinking. When we reached 50 feet I applied full power but nothin' happened. No noise no nothin'. Then, luckily, I heard me instructor's voice in me head saying "carb heat, carb heat". So I pulled carb heat on and that helped quite a lot, with the engine finally regaining full power. Whew, that was really close, let me tell you! Then mate, you'll never guess what happened next! As luck would have it, at that height we flew into a massive dust cloud caused by the cattle and suddenly went I.F. bloody R, mate. BJ, you would have been really proud of me as I didn't panic once, not once, but I did make a mental note to consider an instrument rating as soon as me gyro is repaired something I've been meaning to do for a while now).

Suddenly Ron's elongated neck and bulging eyes reappeared. His Mouth opened wide, very wide, but no sound emerged. "Take it easy," I told him, "we'll be out of this in a minute". Sure enough, about a minute later we emerged, still straight and level and still at 50 feet. Admittedly I was surprised to notice that we were upside down, and I kept thinking to myself, "I hope Ron didn't notice that I had forgotten to set the QNH when we were taxiing". This minor tribulation forced me to fly to a nearby valley in which I had to do a half roll to get upright again. By now the main herd had divided into two groups leaving a narrow strip between them. "Ah!" I thought, "there's an omen. We'll land right there." Knowing that the tyre problem demanded a slow approach, I flew a couple of steep turns with full flap. Soon the stall warning horn was blaring so loud in me ear that I cut it's circuit breaker to shut it up, but by then I knew we were slow enough anyway. I turned seeply onto a 75 foot final and put her down with a real thud.

Strangely enough, I had always thought you could only ground loop in a tail dragger but, as usual, I was proved wrong again! Halfway through our third loop, Ron at last recovered his sense of humor. Talk about laugh. I've never seen the likes of it. He couldn't stop. We finally rolled to a halt and I released the calves, who bolted out of the aircraft like there was no tomorrow.

I then began picking clumps of dry grass. Between gut wrenching fits of laughter, Ron asked what I was doing. I explained that we had to stuff the port tyre with grass so we could fly back to the homestead. It was then that Ron really lost the plot and started running away from the aircraft. Can you believe it? The last time I saw him he was off into the distance, arms flailing in the air and still shrieking with laughter. I later heard that he had been confined to a psychiatric institution - poor bugger!

Anyhow mate, that's enough about Ron. The problem is I got this letter from CASA withdrawing, as they put it, my privileges to fly; until I have undergone a complete pilot training course again and undertaken another flight proficiency test. Now I admit that I made a mistake in taxiing over the wheel chock and not setting the QNH using strip elevation, but I can't see what else I did that was a so bloody bad that they have to withdraw me flamin' license. Can you?

Ralph H Bell
Mud Creek Plantation

From Dan Berwin

I did get out after I took my wheel pants off.  That took over an hour as all the brake cables ran through them and such.  I should dress warmer as I was cold after about 40 minutes.  It was only -7.   The EGT was high as I did not adjust my carbs so if I do some more I will have to adjust them a bit for colder weather.

An Airborne Engagement

By Barry Meek

If you ever think there are no new ideas to be thought of, better think again.   Actually, there will never be a shortage as long as there are people.  Just when you think you’ve seen everything .......... well, you haven’t!  Take marriage proposals.   The guy gets down on one knee to pop the question, or blurts it out over dessert after a nice dinner, or gets much more creative and hires an aerial banner towed behind a plane to fly over his sweetie’s house.  There’s always somebody coming up with a new way to do it.

Several years ago, I bore witness to an interesting and entertaining proposal in my airplane.  A company out here on the west coast had given certificates for sightseeing trips to it’s employees as Christmas presents.  One of the secretaries in their office called up one day to ask whether she could bring her boyfriend along.  No problem, as our group of partners had two four-place airplanes in the hangar.   “Romeo” showed up a bit early, took me aside and informed me he’d like to propose to this secretary somewhere over the mountains.  They’d only been dating for a few months, so it was to be a big surprise.  He had brought along the engagement ring just in case she said yes.  I figured if she said no, she could always toss it out the window and leave no doubts as to her feelings.

“Romeo” was a gentleman about everything.  He confidently explained to his bride-to-be why certain things had to be done prior to “lift-off”.  Like why I was running my hand over the prop .... “to check for ice” (hey, it was February).  Why I was draining fuel into a cup under the wing “to check for ice”, why I was inspecting the “wings” (actually the ailerons) “to be sure they went up and down to shake the ice off”.  He confidently assured the little lady that I was a safe pilot.  Since I’d met him only ten minutes earlier, I’m not sure where the basis for that conclusion came from.  At any rate, I had to think it was all in an effort to ensure she was comfortable.

“Juliet” got to ride in the front seat, while “Romeo” crammed himself into the back.  Another act of chivalry I thought.  He was out to impress this gal.  We departed just before sunset, and were soon level at 7,000 feet over the mountains on the north side of Vancouver.  It was a beautiful evening, perfect for what was about to happen.  Maybe it’s just me, maybe “Romeo” was cursed too, but it’s not very often that things go exactly as planned.  Fortunately nothing’s ever turned into a disaster, but I’ve learned to always have a ‘plan-B’ whenever I start at something.  Particularly with any flight of any duration to any destination.  On this evening, I’d need that plan.

Image: Tourism British Columbia

Just about the time the big event was to occur, I noticed the alternator had quit producing.  The volt meter still read a healthy 12 volts, so it wasn’t a problem just yet.  The circuit breaker wasn’t popped, no smoke smell, everything else seemed normal.  So I killed the unnecessary drains, including the intercom.  When the two passengers found they couldn’t speak and hear through the headsets, I smiled, nodded everything was OK, they proceeded to yell their comments at each other.  I couldn’t tell what they were saying exactly over the engine noise, but figured he’d popped the question when she screamed, “Yes it is scary”.

I thought I heard “Romeo” say, yelling at the back of her head, “Not scary .... MARRY”.  To which “Juliet” responded, “VERY SCARY” at the top of her lungs.   They both looked over at me with quizzical looks on their faces as if I could tell them what they’d just said.  I smiled and nodded.   He was a bit frustrated at this point.  After all, the romance had surely gone from the moment, which had turned into a screaming match.  She was still interested more in the mountains and the sunset.  Finally, from the back seat, “Romeo” thrust the ring in front of  “Juliet”, and bellowed his proposal once again.  This time there was no doubt in her mind.  She flung the seatbelt off, struggled to her knees, turned around on the seat and kissed him.

They didn’t get their full hour in the air as I was already headed back to base, but who’s counting at a time like that.  We landed while there was still power enough for the lights and radio.  Then the happy couple was off to celebrate at a local restaurant.  Nothing else matters when you’re young and in love, except probably a forgotten wallet.  “Romeo’s” was sitting on the back seat when I put the plane away, just one small detail that he wouldn’t care about until it came time to pay for the dinner and drinks.  I’m thinking that night may have turned into a scenario like this:  Boy invites girl for dinner, then discovers his wallet is missing, the girl grudgingly pays the bill but never trusts him or sees him again.  Don’t know if that happened or not.

When this couple has children, they’ll be truthful when they tell them about a screaming match that turned into an engagement.  Other guys have taken the plunge, literally, proposing while skydiving, some underwater scuba diving.  The list of wild ideas goes on and on.  Marriage is something you do once in your life, if you’re lucky.  You might as well pull out the stops and create a real memory out of it.

bcflyer@propilots.net

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